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Pink Marshmellow
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Posted - 2012.08.09 20:31:00 -
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The Catalyst needs more powergrid, especially since its mounting one more gun than the cormorant.
The coercer is a much better ship now. |
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Posted - 2012.08.20 05:30:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Destroyers can already kill AF and these new frigates are not better than AF. BTW, they are getting a buff ; that is the whole point of this thread.
If you want to make destroyers as OP compared to frigates as BC currently are compared to cruisers, I think you are wrong. If frigates have been buffed, they still are on a frigate level, because their buff is basicaly based on the rifter. And BTW, I checked the forums : main complaint is ASB, not merlin killing destroyers even though they seem very good at killing rifters and other frigates.
Destroyers are supposed to be Anti-frigate ships. They are OP vs frigates, but everything bigger is OP against them.
Destroyers adjustments must be made with the frigate buffs in mind. If destroyers are no good against frigates, then they are no good at all.
A lot of frigates are receiving a big makeover such as more slots, more ehp, more fitting, better ship bonuses.
What is the destroyer getting? A very minor and questionable change, the cormorant loses with mid for a low, all the destroyers are getting their sig radius bigger again. The thrasher still remains the only real destroyer to fly. The catalyst sucks for anything except suicide ganking and still has the same terrible fitting, its worse than the cormorant which fits shields and has one less turret.
Yttribium were making adjustments based on old data, which shows how out of touch he is with destroyers.
After the first page, he disappears off the face of the earth, leaving us in the dark of what he's planning so far. |
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:49:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hey folks,
The reason with the low fitting output of the Catalyst is to prevent it from totally overpowering close range encounters with overwhelming damage. Internal tests and combat we ran showed that a Ion Catalyst setup is quite fine at the moment against the other race counterparts.
You can't be serious. The cormorant has more powergrid that the Catalyst despite the fact that it is a shield tanker and requires less pg to fit due to it having 7 turrets rather than 8.
There is without a doubt more thrashers being flown than Catalysts. Catalysts are used only for suicide ganks, that's all they are really good for.
The catalyst is gimped when trying to fit railguns, so its obvious you want to make it a blaster boat, if that's the case why don't you change the 50% optimal role bonus to 50% falloff bonus.
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Posted - 2012.08.21 00:15:00 -
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The cormorant will be an overall superior blasterboat than the catalyst.
It can pack Scram and Web to keep frigates pinned down and have the PG to fit a small neut, neutron blasters and mwd.
It will do less dps, but has better utility to do its job.
The catalyst will still continue to suck with having only 2 mids that work poorly for blasters and lack luster fitting that prevents putting mwd and neutron blasters together in order to utilize its full potential. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 07:34:00 -
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I'm sorry to say this Ytterbium, but I personally think you have no idea what you're doing.
Please let Fozzie take care of this as he is much more responsive to feedback and is balancing other ships, which gives him a better idea how to balance destroyers around how the other ships will be balanced.
EDIT: And yes he is probably busy balancing others, but its a long ways til winter. |
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Posted - 2012.08.21 09:49:00 -
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Well if you'll excuse me the destroyer class has largely been broken for a long time.
With some obvious glaring disparity between the Thrasher and the rest of the destroyers.
The catalyst is one of the most broken destroyers of all, it has a confused mixed of optimal and falloff which only makes it half effective for both blasters and railguns.
It is poorly suited to railguns due to its gimped powergrid and now it has less powergrid that the cormorant which is shield tanked and has one less turret.
As a blaster boat, it fails quite miserably as it is only able to fit a point and no web, which is absolutely essential for blaster ships.
Other than for suicide ganks, it has to be the worst destroyer out of all.
The coercer has good dps and good damage projection.
The cormorant can snipe at extreme ranges of 100km and shoot down interceptors well.
The thrasher is without a doubt the king of all destroyers being small, fast, mobile, and has alpha strike of artillery. Or the option of fitting an MSE and 200mm autocannons and neut with 400 dps.
If you have flown the catalyst and you will realize its just a paper tiger.
You'll find that you will be absolutely destroyed, unless you are right on-top of your opponent, you better kill him before he flies out of point range, otherwise he will kite you to death or simply running away while laughing at your meagar range and clumsy flying.
But for anyone to think that the catalyst is "fine" brings to question rather or not they have flown it. |
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:45:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:so yeah, the coercer goes from being exceptional at everything to sucking at everything. itll be outranged by any of the other destroyers and it itll be outtanked by all of them except the newer cormorant which was the 2nd best destroyer in the game, 1st being coercer. the new cormorant went from being amazing, to complete ****.
GG
Wtf are you talking about? The Coercer has excellent range and damage projection, scorch coercer is asskicking awesome. Its going to be better now that it actually has fitting to put on medium pulses and an mwd. The only weakness it had was the single midslot, forcing you to decide between tackle and propulsion. |
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